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I was never anti-gun, just looked at hunting, guns, practice shooting as a hobby for many and a 2nd amendment issue for others. Didn't have time for another hobby and was happy to defer to law enforcement's opinions as to what type of weapons should be allowed to private citizens. Strangely I now find myself watching YouTube videos of hand gun reviews and debating with myself about getting into it.
I grew up with them. That was just part of my family culture, like fishing and gardening. I even drove to high school a few times with my shotgun in the trunk (hunting after school with friends). Different times. My college room mate got me into it deeper, including reloading. Poor students couldn’t afford it any other way. There was an indoor pistol range on campus. After college we went to work at the same company, but my room mate interviewed Winchester too. We hunted and shot together for many years. Families came along and I drifted toward other outdoor interests like canoeing, kayaking, skiing, and cycling. I sold my guns but my buddy carried on with shooting and built a collection.

In 2018 my wife expressed interest in shooting and protection after some scary stuff in the area. We bought a few Sig Sauer pistols, took a couple of classes, and are among the 19 million Americans licensed for concealed carry. Technology had changed so much in 30 years, I felt like Rip Van Winkle. More classes are likely. Purchases too? It’s like golf or cycling in that there’s a lot of muscle memory involved. And safety! There’s a saying that’s so true: “When every second counts, the police are just minutes away”. That’s not their fault, it’s just reality. And use an alarm system in your home.

If you decide to proceed, don’t do what so many do in these times. Don’t just read up, buy something, and put it away. Take classes first if you can find one with loaners, test fire different guns (most big ranges have a rental fleet), then buy, join a range, and practice to build skills & reflexes. Store it safely too. Be a safe and responsible gun owner.
 

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I grew up with them. That was just part of my family culture, like fishing and gardening. ..........

If you decide to proceed, don’t do what so many do in these times. Don’t just read up, buy something, and put it away. Take classes first if you can find one with loaners, test fire different guns (most big ranges have a rental fleet), then buy, join a range, and practice to build skills & reflexes. Store it safely too. Be a safe and responsible gun owner.
Sounds like good advice. Thanks.
 

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A very good article from the WSJ showing how a weak socialist mayor with zero leadership skills bent the knees to "protestors" to take over Minneapolis.

BTW, yesterday for the first time I drove through the area where all the riots happened. It is very very sad. Blocks and blocks of the city just devastated like the area was hit by an airstrike. Just look at the map on the link below. More than 1,500 buildings across the Twin Cities have been vandalized, looted or had doors and windows smashed. My dentist is next to the Apple Store and the place was saved since they are inside a bigger building. Apple Store did not have the same luck. The place was completely destroyed. Yes, because people were "protesting" so their way to protest was to steal all iPhones, MacBooks, iPads, etc.... and then destroy the building. My favorite store in town is called Kitchen Window where I usually buy all my cooking stuff and you can have cooking classes and find anything you can and cannot imagine would fit into a kitchen. Place is completely gone. There is absolutely nothing open, restaurants, stores, pharmacies, etc.... all disappeared.

 

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I was never anti-gun, just looked at hunting, guns, practice shooting as a hobby for many and a 2nd amendment issue for others. Didn't have time for another hobby and was happy to defer to law enforcement's opinions as to what type of weapons should be allowed to private citizens. Strangely I now find myself watching YouTube videos of hand gun reviews and debating with myself about getting into it.
Well, I live in Seattle. We have no 'law' here as it was concepted under our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Midway through the past administration this became evident. We got busy and and are now concealed weapons licensed carriers for our own safety.
 

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To understand the current, sometimes its good to understand the past. Deja Vu all over again - Berra. All pictures are public domain.


In 1932, as in 2020, the nation experienced an explosion of civil unrest on the eve of a presidential election. ... Our mapping project has recorded 389 hunger marches, eviction fights and other protests in 138 cities during 1932. ...Organizations representing the unemployed – many led by communists or socialists – had been active since 1930, and now in the summer of 1932 protests surged in every state. ...Hoover called in U.S. Army troops. During a night of violence, the army burned thousands of tents and shacks and sent the Bonus Army marchers fleeing.

1932 Bonus Army camp in DC



July 28, DC Police Clash



Time to have the US Army evict them

MacArthur ordered General Perry Miles to assemble troops on the Ellipse immediately south of the White House. Within the hour the 3rd Cavalry led by Patton, then a Major, crossed the Memorial Bridge

That was the Future Supreme Commander Allied Forces Japan and "the" Future General Patton

At 4:45 pm. commanded by General Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six M1917 light tankscommanded by Maj. George S. Patton, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of civil service employees left work to line the street and watch. The Bonus Marchers, believing the troops were marching in their honor, cheered the troops until Patton ordered[citation needed] the cavalry to charge them, which prompted the spectators to yell, "Shame! Shame!"

Yup, actual US Army tanks on Pennsylvania Ave.

the infantry, with fixed bayonets and tear gas (adamsite, an arsenical vomiting agent) entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers.

That would be FIXED BAYONETS. Hear that?

55 veterans were injured and 135 arrested.[1] A veteran's wife miscarried. When 12-week-old Bernard Myers died in the hospital after being caught in the tear gas attack, a government investigation reported he died of enteritis, and a hospital spokesman said the tear gas "didn't do it any good."

And this is the FUTURE Supreme Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Forces and future President of the United States.

Major Dwight D. Eisenhower, later the 34th president of the United States, served as one of MacArthur's junior aides.

A hires view of the bonus camp. See those flags? These were Veterans of WWI waiting for their checks and the Depression.



Protesters sleeping on the Capital lawn



The shacks burning after being evicted. Capital in the background



1932 Article HEROES: Battle of Washington


22 year old joins the Army, gets discharged, police bullet kills him. Prior to that, 200 "Reds" had marched. Lots "pate-twacking" - skull cracking. Read the rest. Its filled with bricks flying, heads bashed in, the usual riot stuff as 800 more police joined the riot. But these weren't just some kids. They were WWI vets who had come home from the trenches. Police started shooting in the crowds but couldn't contain it. The locals asked for help. The President ordered MacArthur to settle it. This sounds like a war movie.

A thousand troops moved in, bayonets fixed, 5 tanks, military trucks, tear gas out. How could the troops be fighting against their own? Every shack gassed, the encampment just burning embers, everyone routed. Politico picks up the story in 2020.


Hoover, fed up with the rabble outside his house, was happy to oblige the District commissioners’ request for reinforcements. The president passed the request to his secretary of War, Patrick Hurley, who passed the request to strutting four-star General MacArthur, who also was happy to oblige. ... For weeks his men at nearby Fort Myers had undergone anti-riot training for just such a confrontation. ...

convinced that the shoddy Bonus Marchers constituted a real and present threat to the government, the general disobeyed Hoover’s direct order and instead ordered his troops to cross the Anacostia River to Bonus City. There, as newsreel cameras rolled, his men proceeded to forcibly evict the remaining veterans and their families and torch their tents ...

in 1932, MacArthur’s gross insubordination went unheeded and unpunished. Instead, the government called him a hero. “It was a great victory,” War Secretary Hurley exulted the next day. “Mac is the man of the hour.”


The newsreels were running. The Bayonets were fixed, and the air was thick with tear gas "Just like the battlefields in France"


No sound but the Calvary came and the encampments burned.


Wasn't it nice for the protesters to wear dress shirts and ties? So much cleaner than today.


Whats new is actually old.

How long did this encampment last?


Washington, D.C. Chief of Police Pelham D. Glassford was driving south through New Jersey the night of May 21, 1932. Suddenly, a sight appeared in his headlights that he later described as “a bedraggled group of seventy-five or one hundred men and women marching cheerily along, singing and waving at the passing traffic ...

In 1932, nearly 32,000 businesses failed. Unemployment had soared to almost 25 percent, leaving roughly one family out of every four without a breadwinner.


Looks like May 21 to July 28, more than two months. Remember, these were veterans seeking promised pay

Over the next few days, newspapers and theater newsreels showed graphic images of fleeing veterans and their families, blazing shacks, clouds of tear gas, soldiers wielding fixed bayonets, cavalrymen waving sabers. “It’s war,” a narrator intoned. “The greatest concentration of fighting troops in Washington since 1865. . . . They are being forced out of their shacks by the troops who have been called out by the President of the United States.” In movie theaters across America, the Army was booed and MacArthur jeered.


You were never going to see tanks in Seattle.
 

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And George Washington used troops to end the Whiskey Rebellion. Conflicts like this occurred right from the beginning. I assume there were many in the 19th Century too.
 
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University of Wisconsin students say Abraham Lincoln statue at Madison campus must come down.
Historians generally agree he was our single greatest President, but apparently not perfectly politically correct.
Black People NEVER needed a US President to tell them they are free. They always were! Remember, George Washington, Jefferson, Adams... they were ALL BRITISH! You want to talk reparations, start with the tobacco industry. It was built on the backs and lives of FREE Black People brought here to work until they died. And it goes on... Shame.
 

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And George Washington used troops to end the Whiskey Rebellion. Conflicts like this occurred right from the beginning. I assume there were many in the 19th Century too.
Replying to my own post . . . I just saw this in a firearms article.

The Lafayette/Washington Pistols
In 1779, Frenchman Marquis de Lafayette presented a pair of ornate saddle pistols to his friend and the commander of the Continental Army, George Washington. Washington allegedly carried the pair with him at Valley Forge, Monmouth, Yorktown and during the Whiskey Rebellion. He held on to the cherished gift until his death in December 1799. Years later, Congressman Charles F. Mercer, at the request of a Washington family member, presented the set to Andrew Jackson in 1824. Jackson declared the pistols to be “sacred and holy relics.” Upon his own death in 1845, Jackson bequeathed them to Lafayette’s son, George Washington Lafayette.

The pistols went up for auction at Christie’s Auctions & Private Sales in January 2002 and sold for $1.986 million. The Richard King Mellon Foundation purchased the pair and donated them to Fort Ligonier, located in Ligonier, Pennsylvania. These rare pistols are now on display at the museum.


History tells us the Marquis de Lafayette and France were instrumental in our war for Independence. Thank-you France on this holiday week! This was apparently far more than a diplomatic assignment for Lafayette. Imagine the depth of their relationship, leading Lafayette to name his son after Washington. And note the reference to Washington’s campaign to put down the Whiskey Rebellion.
 
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Beyond that, it reminds us that history is much more than dusty dates and facts. It's about real people, emotions, and human relationships that worked together at critical "pivot points" in time to take us where we are today. These things also explain why our constitution is what it is.

History provides context to what otherwise appear to be "special" current events (i.e. this time is different). It's easier to understand where we're going if you know where we've been (and why).
 
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And here we go!!!! Let it burn and then ask for money. If I were the president the only thing I would give this clown is my middle finger.

 

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And here we go!!!! Let it burn and then ask for money. If I were the president the only thing I would give this clown is my middle finger.

Disaster relief should be for natural disasters, not self-inflicted ones. For the same reason the Feds should not bail out Illinois, my home state. If you create the mess you should clean it up yourself.
 
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Disaster relief should be for natural disasters, not self-inflicted ones. For the same reason the Feds should not bail out Illinois, my home state. If you create the mess you should clean it up yourself.
He was offered the National Guard and said no tks!!!
 

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Happy 4th to my American peeps.

Wow, 60 pages of this thread. Unfortunately, a lot of it comes across as old, privileged, and white. A clear demonstration of the divide separating the country. But that’s ok, you have ikonn to bring some flava.

Listen, America truly is a special place. Greatness can be found from sea to shining sea. Now, to continue to lead the world, the country needs to evolve not devolve. Rise above the petty not sink to the depths.

I hope that this weekend you take the time to appreciate how lucky you are. Take the time to appreciate your loved ones. Take the time to let those twin turbos sing.

Stay safe.
 

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Happy 4th of July to everyone!!!! For those not concerned with our future take your time to watch these videos. This is the snowflake generation that will lead our country and implement their ideas.



 

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Unfortunately, a lot of it comes across as old, privileged, and white. A clear demonstration of the divide separating the country.
Don't confuse what comes across as internal family squabbles as a sign of weakness, when its a sign of strength.

If the First Amendment didn't exist, there would be no protests, no marches, no demonstrations, no ability to petition to the government regarding their grievances. Instead it would be a single party communist state or dictatorship.

In all parts of US history, there were internal problems, the biggest one being the Civil War. Prior to WWII, the internal squabbles gave way to the Great Depression and US tanks actually being driven down Pennsylvania Ave against US citizens with federal troops, bayonets fixed, and firing into the vets in the Bonus Army, led by General MacArthur, future 5 star general who accepted Imperial Japans surrender on the USS Missouri. It was Admiral Yamamoto who was alleged, not verified, to say after bombing Pearl Harbor, "I fear we have woken a sleeping giant". Families have internal differences all the time. Thanksgiving is not the most pleasant of Holidays for some ;) It doesn't mean they are not still family. Without ability to express differences of opinion, there is no America.
 

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That which is old, is now new. Or that which is new, is actually old. or... Nothing new ever happens?

In DC, the NFL team was originally the Boston Braves. Wait, that's the name of the Atlanta baseball team. Yes, it is, but first it was the name of the MLB Boston Braves. Confused? Looks like lots of people were confused. In Boston, both the MLB Boston Braves existed along with the NFL Boston Braves. Eventually, the MLB team moved to Milwaukee, then Atlanta. Meanwhile, the NFL team change its name to the Boston Redskins, which then moved to Washington.

Washington Football fans are like Green Bay or other fans. They get season tickets and NEVER let them go. They are passed down from father to son. You could get your name on the list and wait 20 years. I don't know how it is now but there was a time, tickets were golden and impossible to get. For as long as I remember, there has always been pressure to change the name. It constantly came up. The call to change the name might never have made national news but it did locally.

In 1988, the owner said no, or more specifically:

There is not a single, solitary jot, tittle, whit chance in the world

I guess that settled that. In the same newspaper clip was the comments that they should change the name to the Washington Hogs. In the Super Bowl years, Joe Theisman was QB behind the HOGs, the front line.

Theismann threw a key block one day and begged to be named an "honorary piglet." Theismann never had to hit a blocking dummy every day, which is why he never made "piglet."

In 2013, the new owner said no, or more specifically

We will never change the name of the team,"

In 2013, the NFL Commissioner told Congressmen, asking about the name,

Goodell ... points out fan pride in the team's heritage.

In 2014, they did a poll. The fans rejected a name change

77 percent reject changing the name.

What happens now?
 
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