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So how much it is worth to buy their included maintenance? For 5 years 50k miles?
I would not go near that. The reason they want to sell it to you is because they want to lock you in before you realize how much money you can save Igetting the car serviced at an independent garage.
 

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I would not go near that. The reason they want to sell it to you is because they want to lock you in before you realize how much money you can save Igetting the car serviced at an independent garage.
Ya. I know I can goto independent. But was wondering if $5k is worth it for 5 years? Want to hear from experienced Owners like yourselves.
 

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Ya. I know I can goto independent. But was wondering if $5k is worth it for 5 years? Want to hear from experienced Owners like yourselves.
If you really are going to be getting your car exclusively serviced at the dealer for five years, it is. But I don’t get it. If you are really interested in saving money, why go to the dealer at all? If I were on the fence regarding the issue, the last thing I would do is lock into something like this.
 

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If you really are going to be getting your car exclusively serviced at the dealer for five years, it is. But I don’t get it. If you are really interested in saving money, why go to the dealer at all? If I were on the fence regarding the issue, the last thing I would do is lock into something like this.
I guess I was curious if going to independent dealer would cost about the same or more or less than $5k for 5 years.

Major costly items I can see is
brake flush
Spark plug
Transmission flush
Rest is just oil service.
 

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I guess I was curious if going to independent dealer would cost about the same or more or less than $5k for 5 years.

Major costly items I can see is
brake flush
Spark plug
Transmission flush
Rest is just oil service.
Obviously we don’t know what every independent garage charges, but after reading lots of the threads on this I would say the general consensus seems to be a savings in the 50% range. Obviously that’s going to vary. But generally way less than $5000 for five years.
 

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But I don’t get it. If you are really interested in saving money, why go to the dealer at all?
For me it's because I plan to buy new and do some long-term traveling - so I'm trying to decide if I should join PCA and try to find an Indy in every city I happen to be in when I need scheduled maintenance (which sounds like a hassle but if it's feasible and worth it then I will) or if I should buy the pre-paid maintenance plan and then all I have to do is find a dealership, get their loaner, and follow the schedule.

I've had M3s for the last decade and never even thought about maintenance since it was covered by BMW - and I got rid of the cars after warranty expired. So trying to decide if getting a Macan will be a lot more hassle ... I'd prefer one over an X3/5 but if the maintenance is significantly more (or more hassle) then maybe not ...
 

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With my recent Macan, I bought maintenance through 40,000. The finance manager pushed hard for a 50k plan and paint protection, but I negotiated down. Not sure if I would do it again. Actually, the wife gave a green light for for a 2021 Cayman - I won't get any dealer extras. I had a good experience with the sales rep, but the finance person reminded me of the "Truecoat" scene in the movie Fargo (youtube it for a laugh).
 

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With my recent Macan, I bought maintenance through 40,000. The finance manager pushed hard for a 50k plan and paint protection, but I negotiated down. Not sure if I would do it again. Actually, the wife gave a green light for for a 2021 Cayman - I won't get any dealer extras. I had a good experience with the sales rep, but the finance person reminded me of the "Truecoat" scene in the movie Fargo (youtube it for a laugh).
How much did you negotiate it down to?
 

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The receipts show that I paid $4330 [inc tax] for 40,000 of maintenance coverage. The 50k service is just an oil change? It did not make sense to me to pay for service when the warranty expired. Did not get the paint protection, never had a paint issue on 11 new vehicles my wife and I have bought since 1990 yet every time I got the same sales pitch for American, Jag, and Mercedes vehicles.

Future maintenance will no doubt be at a higher rate which played against adding the 40k coverage to the financing. Probably a wash. I used to do all my own maintenance, repairs, builds and mods for American V8's, but those days are behind me.

edit - an important point, the PSMP $4330 includes sales tax, as we had discussed this during negotiations. Steep sales tax here around 10%. As I remember the price for service through 40k was just under $4000, but this is not shown on the receipt. Probably a good deal.
 

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The receipts show that I paid $4330 [inc tax] for 40,000 of maintenance coverage. The 50k service is just an oil change? It did not make sense to me to pay for service when the warranty expired. Did not get the paint protection, never had a paint issue on 11 new vehicles my wife and I have bought since 1990 yet every time I got the same sales pitch for American, Jag, and Mercedes vehicles.

Future maintenance will no doubt be at a higher rate which played against adding the 40k coverage to the financing. Probably a wash. I used to do all my own maintenance, repairs, builds and mods for American V8's, but those days are behind me.

edit - an important point, the PSMP $4330 includes sales tax, as we had discussed this during negotiations. Steep sales tax here around 10%. As I remember the price for service through 40k was just under $4000, but this is not shown on the receipt. Probably a good deal.
As I mentioned in a previous reply
a lot of the scheduled maintenance is not required and has no effect on the Warrenty
 

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My car is my VACATION !!
Could not agree more. I am perfectly content to have the dealer maintain the Macan and I enjoy the visits there.

At the same time. . . . I, very much, enjoy tinkering with and old MG or motorcycle. I like to tinker when I want to, not to get to the office.

My domestic marching orders are to keep it on the order of magnitude of what it would cost to join the local country club and play golf. If you want to make your Porsche maintenance seem much less expensive. . . . I have a solution. Buy a Cessna CJ4 to shuttle between Rhinebeck and Park City for a year. The moment you ditch it for fractional ownership you’ll think you hit the lottery and will have forgotten about the cost of Porsche maintenance.
 

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Many people talk about how much less expensive it is to do maintenance at a Porsche specialty Indy shop vs. the dealer.

I found 3 in Phoenix that have excellent reputations & specialize in Porsches & got their prices for a rear brake job on my Macan Turbo, incurring rotors & sensors:
Dealer $950
Shop #1 $820
Shop #2 $965
Shop 3 (Strange quote I cannot decipher, Not a fixed price. I won't go there)

I may get 10% off that $950 @ the dealer.

My point of this post is I sure do not see a large savings.

Frankly I was expecting ~ ½ price.
 
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Another dealer situation I have experienced is the "up-sell"; to wit, when my 2017 Macan base was in for its recent transfer case replacement, I received a call from the service advisor telling me that all four tires needed to be replaced, that they were down below the wear bars, and the Macan was unsafe to drive. So I needed that and the super-premium wheel alignment because of the adaptive cruise control.
I told the advisor that, first, I do not have adaptive cruise control, and second, that I would check out the tires when I picked up the Macan the next day.
Turns out that the tires are nowhere near the wear bars--looks like I'll have at least until next summer.
My independent has never tried to sell me anything that I had not scheduled; Chris will say (for example) that I have so-many millimeters left on the brakes, or let's do plugs next year, or something similar--that is how shops maintain a good relationship with the customer.
 

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I’ve been “oil changes only” to date. No complaints and I find comfort (perhaps justified, perhaps not) in having someone put eyes on the car who sees them daily.
 

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Many people talk about how much less expensive it is to do maintenance at a Porsche specialty Indy shop vs. the dealer.

I found 3 in Phoenix that have excellent reputations & specialize in Porsches & got their prices for a rear brake job on my Macan Turbo, incurring rotors & sensors:
Dealer $950
Shop #1 $820
Shop #2 $965
Shop 3 (Strange quote I cannot decipher, Not a fixed price. I won't go there)

I may get 10% off that $950 @ the dealer.

My point of this post is I sure do not see a large savings.

Frankly I was expecting ~ ½ price.

Same here in the SF bay area per my experience.
 

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Many people talk about how much less expensive it is to do maintenance at a Porsche specialty Indy shop vs. the dealer.

I found 3 in Phoenix that have excellent reputations & specialize in Porsches & got their prices for a rear brake job on my Macan Turbo, incurring rotors & sensors:
Dealer $950
Shop #1 $820
Shop #2 $965
Shop 3 (Strange quote I cannot decipher, Not a fixed price. I won't go there)

I may get 10% off that $950 @ the dealer.

My point of this post is I sure do not see a large savings.

Frankly I was expecting ~ ½ price.
What pads and rotors were each using?
 

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No complaints and I find comfort (perhaps justified, perhaps not) in having someone put eyes on the car who sees them daily.
The thread where Paul Miller Porsche told the forum member to “watch the low oil pressure readings” says it all about dealer service. Obviously at least some of the technicians simply become complacent and it all becomes too routine when they do the same jobs day in and day out.
 

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Good point.

Like the Westwood dealer who “kinda forgot to actually perform the CPO inspections prior to selling a “CPO” unit.

Thanks for the “reality check”
 

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Turns out that the tires are nowhere near the wear bars--looks like I'll have at least until next summer.
Maybe you already know this / checked this, but the tire wear on lots of more sporty vehicles happens on the very very inside of the rear tires for various camber/suspension reasons. Can't tell you how many people have told me their tires were crap because they had plenty of tread left but the tire blew, then it turns out you could see the cords on the inside edge of the rear tire.

Just saying I know a lot of people who've gotten stranded because they routinely checked tread depth or wear bars, but didn't know to check the inside edge wear on the rears - it can look very deceiving because the wear shows as tread trailing off near the edge which doesn't instantly look wrong.
 

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Many people talk about how much less expensive it is to do maintenance at a Porsche specialty Indy shop vs. the dealer.

I found 3 in Phoenix that have excellent reputations & specialize in Porsches & got their prices for a rear brake job on my Macan Turbo, incurring rotors & sensors:
Dealer $950
Shop #1 $820
Shop #2 $965
Shop 3 (Strange quote I cannot decipher, Not a fixed price. I won't go there)

I may get 10% off that $950 @ the dealer.

My point of this post is I sure do not see a large savings.

Frankly I was expecting ~ ½ price.
No question some independent Porsche specialists are expensive. But you don’t need them to change pads and rotors as the job is very similar to a Volkswagen.

One of the indys I use did the same job using power stop Z26 street warrior pads and rotors, which are better than OEM, for under $500 Including taxes Dealer quote was $740 for parts and $470 for labor, with fees and taxes total $1260. More than 60% savings for a superior product!

And I’m more confident the indy did the job right versus some unknown tech of the week at the dealer.
 
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