[Capaldi]

LOL.
Google "Porsche Macan pedal lag". You will get 152,000 search results about this problem and the medley of devices that address it.

I don't think its as much as a problem as it is a preference

You have profoundly changed your position. It was "I do NOT have this problem", now it is a matter of "personal preference". Gotcha.

Think about what a problem is. Like a financial problem. This is clearly something that needs to be dealt with before it becomes harmful.

Now think about what a preference is. Alternatively, I too would prefer less lag when I press the gas pedal. This is a preference, but not a potentially harmful situation or discrepancy in the engineering.

152,000 searches of 'pedal lag' is not an admission of a problem (as much as you would like it to be) however, it is testament to an ongoing trend of people who clearly prefer less lag.

If you press the gas and your Macan goes nowhere, that would be a problem.

If I want my Macan GTS to go 1000 mph in two seconds, is that a problem even if 152,000 people on this forum want the same? Or is that an overwhelming preference?

 

[phaser]

Good to know that there are scores of us spending hundreds to solve a problem that is a figment of our imagination.
I'll bet the supporting vendors here who market the devices which address the issue are glad to hear from a couple experts who claim that the problem does not exist.

 

[nevil]

if it was an imaginary problem I doubt that there are units designed for many makes and models of cars and trucks. My PC should get here in a day or so and I'll find out for myself.

 

[PFSI1970]

“I'll bet the supporting vendors here who market the devices which address the issue are glad to hear from a couple experts who claim that the problem does not exist.”

I thought we were past this. I don’t claim to be an expert but, for me and my car, the problem does not exist. Why so much push-back to those who don’t see a need for these devices?

 

[Capaldi]

Good to know that there are scores of us spending hundreds to solve a problem that is a figment of our imagination.
I'll bet the supporting vendors here who market the devices which address the issue are glad to hear from a couple experts who claim that the problem does not exist.

Every gas car ever made has a slight delay. By your logic, your conclusion is that; every car in existence that isn't electric has a "problem".

 

[phaser]

Every gas car ever made has a slight delay. By your logic, your conclusion is that; every car in existence that isn't electric has a "problem".

Ridiculous.
The lag that exists in the Macan is severe, well known, well documented and with numerous devices marketed that solve this issue whether you believe that or not.
You want to push the accelerator darn near half way and get next to nothing then be my guest.

 

[Capaldi]

Ridiculous.
The lag that exists in the Macan is severe, well known, well documented and with numerous devices marketed that solve this issue whether you believe that or not.
You want to push the accelerator darn near half way and get next to nothing then be my guest.

Have you looked at other car forums and seen how the pedal commander was made for literally every combustion car?

Do they make a PC for a Tesla? I didn't think so.

All gas cars have pedal lag. The Macan Pedal lag is not a symptom of poor engineering. With ECU mapping, Porsche can in fact reduce the 'pedal lag' but they choose not to. Are you smarter than Porsche engineers? Has every one of them has conspired against us and has no idea how to solve this "problem"? Have you ever considered there is a reason for the throttle mapping?

You keep framing it as "believe that or not" as if anyone who disagrees with you is in denial but you clearly don't know the difference between an actual problem and the physics of a combustion engine.

 

[phaser]

Every gas car ever made has a slight delay. By your logic, your conclusion is that; every car in existence that isn't electric has a "problem".

No one is saying that there is poor engineering. There are simply many, many, of us who hate the throttle mapping in stock form. I have owned several 911s, many Corvettes, and a raft of other high performance vehicles and have never seen any thing like this situation in my 2022 Macan GTS. Who wants a high powered vehicle that does next to nothing for the 1st 1/3 of throttle travel? Not me and obviously not alot of other guys who opt for a device to solve the problem from one of a medley of purveyors who compete in that arena.
I am not stupid nor crazy and neither are the legions of guys who solve this well known issue with one of these relatively inexpensive solutions.
I love my '22 GTS and hope that you are enjoying yours also. We can see things differently and I am sure that we are all car guys here which is a great fraternity indeed.

 

[threeOh]

Have you looked at other car forums and seen how the pedal commander was made for literally every combustion car?

Do they make a PC for a Tesla? I didn't think so.

All gas cars have pedal lag. The Macan Pedal lag is not a symptom of poor engineering. With ECU mapping, Porsche can in fact reduce the 'pedal lag' but they choose not to. Are you smarter than Porsche engineers? Has every one of them has conspired against us and has no idea how to solve this "problem"? Have you ever considered there is a reason for the throttle mapping?

You keep framing it as "believe that or not" as if anyone who disagrees with you is in denial but you clearly don't know the difference between an actual problem and the physics of a combustion engine.

The actual problem is meeting fuel economy regulations. Notice the many comments about mpg going down with the addition of the throttle mapping devices.

If you truly believe "All gas cars have pedal lag.", then I can only commiserate on your car choices over the years.

 

[Capaldi]

The actual problem is meeting fuel economy regulations. Notice the many comments about mpg going down with the addition of the throttle mapping devices.

If you truly believe "All gas cars have pedal lag.", then I can only commiserate on your car choices over the years.

Believe? No. I know for a fact every combustion engine car takes time for the throttle motor to activate the throttle opening. Some are much closer to immediate than others but none are at absolute net-zero. Combustion has come a long way in the past ten years but I can easily admit the Macans throttle lag is more than necessary.

The question at hand was "is it a "problem?" The answer is no.

 

[Capaldi]

No one is saying that there is poor engineering. There are simply many, many, of us who hate the throttle mapping in stock form. I have owned several 911s, many Corvettes, and a raft of other high performance vehicles and have never seen any thing like this situation in my 2022 Macan GTS. Who wants a high powered vehicle that does next to nothing for the 1st 1/3 of throttle travel? Not me and obviously not alot of other guys who opt for a device to solve the problem from one of a medley of purveyors who compete in that arena.
I am not stupid nor crazy and neither are the legions of guys who solve this well known issue with one of these relatively inexpensive solutions.
I love my '22 GTS and hope that you are enjoying yours also. We can see things differently and I am sure that we are all car guys here which is a great fraternity indeed.

I dislike the Macan throttle mapping as much as the next guy. I think its probably a bit over-exaggerated for no real reason.

What I keep seeing you argue is that because the pedal commander exists - therefore there must be a problem with the throttle lag. Otherwise why else would it exist and why are so many people talking about it?

I'm saying (much like a few other people) aside from the physics of a combustion engine, this is the way it was designed by the engineers, thus, not an actual "problem" But since the invention of the PC, an enhancement has been made.

Assuming you have no heart defects or arrhythmias, If you don't like your resting heart rate you can make enhancements to get it lower. Just because you made an enhancement doesn't mean you ever had a problem with your heart. You just improved upon something because you preferred it over the current resting state.

 

[macanadian]

aside from the physics of a combustion engine, this is the way it was designed by the engineers, thus, not an actual "problem"

This discussion is so far gone off topic it's untrue. The original post was "please post about your experience with these devices" and it's descended into an argument about arguments.

As has been pointed out previously, the throttle lag is not a feature of internal combustion engines, it is a feature of drive by wire instead of drive by cable. Lag such as this is a new feature added in the last 20 or so years.

I have just ordered a roar pedal and will report my findings once it arrives

 

[Capaldi]

This discussion is so far gone off topic it's untrue. The original post was "please post about your experience with these devices" and it's descended into an argument about arguments.

As has been pointed out previously, the throttle lag is not a feature of internal combustion engines, it is a feature of drive by wire instead of drive by cable. Lag such as this is a new feature added in the last 20 or so years.

I have just ordered a roar pedal and will report my findings once it arrives

NGL, this whole thread motivated me to purchase a PC. My only reservations are the slight possibility of voiding the warranty somehow. If it would happen to anyone, it would happen to me.

 

[phaser]

NGL, this whole thread motivated me to purchase a PC. My only reservations are the slight possibility of voiding the warranty somehow. If it would happen to anyone, it would happen to me.

You will be thrilled with the results. Totally different driving experience as many others have indicated. A number of guys on here and other forums suggested starting out on City +1. I have run it on City +1, +2, +3, & +4. City +1 works best for me but it is fun to play around with using the Bluetooth and I've never heard of anyone having a warranty claim problem with a device of this nature.
Go for it Man, no way you'll send it back.

 

[Capaldi]

You will be thrilled with the results. Totally different driving experience as many others have indicated. A number of guys on here and other forums suggested starting out on City +1. I have run it on City +1, +2, +3, & +4. City +1 works best for me but it is fun to play around with using the Bluetooth and I've never heard of anyone having a warranty claim problem with a device of this nature.
Go for it Man, no way you'll send it back.

Haha. So I get that keeping the PC in City+1 while the car is in comfort mode is the standard but what do you do with the PC when switching to Sport and Sport+ modes on the car?

 

[phaser]

I'm good with City +1 in all modes.

 

[RoggieRog]

I know quite a few members have either of the above 3, but unsure if there are any members who have any of them installed on a 2022 or 2023 Macan GTS? Does it make a big difference on the 22/23 GTS? Is it worth it?

From my understanding, the 'low end lag' is not 'as apparent' on the 22/23 GTS models, but the PC/SB/RP do a fantastic job at truly making the Macan come alive... but I would still like some input.

Also, looks like Roar Pedal has made a bluetooth version.. (no screen, no wires). Pretty neat!

Roar Pedal® Bluetooth Throttle Response Controller

Roar Pedal® Bluetooth Throttle Response Controller will refresh the love for your vehicle and make it fun to drive again, without changing anything inside the engine or risking your warranty! Remove acceleration lag 5 modes & 36 presets SAVE GAS in ECO MODE Plug and Play, DIY INSTALL Won't Void...

roarpedal.com

Im going to purchase one of the above units (unsure if it will be PC, SB or RP) for my incoming GTS, but would love some updated guidance from members. Especially those with 22/23 GTS models.
Most of the threads on this topic are now stale.

Thank you

I’m jumping ahead without reading the many replies on this thread, and rather reply to your initial post.

I have a 2022 Macan GTS which I got at the end of June and now have over 20,000 miles on it. The past 10,000 or so have been with the Pedal Commander in Sport at the +3 setting. I love it. Coincidentally, last night, after a nearly 400-mile spirited drive, I bypassed the PC by toggling the mode switch into the “off” position. It reminded me of one of the reasons that I got it: in normal drive mode, I don’t like the amount of physical exertion the accelerator pedal requires, especially when driving in traffic; I find it fatiguing. I DID do a spirited drive on some twisty roads recently with @frankfurtnyc, where upon his suggestion, I bypassed the PC as it provided a more precise throttle control versus with PC. I appreciated that difference.

Any other questions, feel free to ask away.

Moreover, I also have a Flat6 CAI and Cobb Accessport. They’re both awesome. The Cobb turns a stock fast car into a ferocious demon in Sport and Sport+ modes. I’ll leave it at that.

✌

 

[phaser]

^^^^^^^^Same vehicle and same PC with Cobb Accessport Tune. Fantastic combination!
A Draggy 0-60 time would be interesting with Cobb Tune and the Flat 6 CAI. Got to be 3.5 or better.

 

[MikeV]

I just ordered one today. Hopefully it will perform as others on this forum have stated. I look forward to getting rid of the lag. Cheers

Update: I installed my PC this morning. It really works as advertised. The throttle response is much better and my Macan now drives like a Porsche. I tried many different settings. For now I'm in City +3 and it seems quite good. Glad I bought it. 👍

 

[phaser]

Update: I installed my PC this morning. It really works as advertised. The throttle response is much better and my Macan now drives like a Porsche. I tried many different settings. For now I'm in City +3 and it seems quite good. Glad I bought it. 👍

Your performance vehicle now responds and feels like one and not a 4 cylinder KIA mouse motor. You realize how bad it was the first time you drive it with the PC installed. The naysayers who have never used one have no clue. No more complicated than that.
The majority of Porsche buyers want their vehicle to feel strong and not have to play games with the **** gas pedal every time they hit the go button.