2022 S vs. GTS throttle response and low RPM torque (your input)?
Just test drove a 2022 Macan S and and X3 M40i.
I loved everything about the Macan S EXCEPT the power of the engine and laggy throttle response.
There's not a lot of shove or push, even in sport mode.
In normal mode, forget about it...if you ever get caught in normal mode driving and try and punch it, nothing happens. You are screwed.
the X3 M40i engine and throttle response is amazing...but I don't like much else about it. Cheap feeling inside.
For those you have taken delivery of a 2022 GTS, do you also have the laggy throttle response that the S has?
Does it feel torquey or punchy even in comfort mode?
I can't test drive a GTS...if it has anywhere near the performance and immediacy of the B38 in the X3 M40i then I would order in a heart beat.
I wonder if the 2022 GTS throttle mapping is more aggressive than previous year's Turbo models.
I loved everything about the Macan S EXCEPT the power of the engine and laggy throttle response.
There's not a lot of shove or push, even in sport mode.
In normal mode, forget about it...if you ever get caught in normal mode driving and try and punch it, nothing happens. You are screwed.
the X3 M40i engine and throttle response is amazing...but I don't like much else about it. Cheap feeling inside.
For those you have taken delivery of a 2022 GTS, do you also have the laggy throttle response that the S has?
Does it feel torquey or punchy even in comfort mode?
I can't test drive a GTS...if it has anywhere near the performance and immediacy of the B38 in the X3 M40i then I would order in a heart beat.
I wonder if the 2022 GTS throttle mapping is more aggressive than previous year's Turbo models.
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I would think that they Hybrid would offer pretty good grunt.This is an interesting thread. In my case my DD is a ‘22 X3 M40i. I am wondering if I’d be a bit disappointed with a ‘23 Macan S vs the brilliantly new B58 with mild hybrid tech, added in the ‘22.
$15K more for a Macan S and I‘d expect better all around performance in all drive modes not just better handling than the latest and greatest M40i from BMW.
The LCI 2022 BMW X3 M40i has a 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-6 motor coupled with a 48-volt mild-hybrid system, allowing the car to produce 382 hp and 369 lb-ft of torque. Turbo lag is virtually non existent. Kudos to BMW for adding this newest tech.
This 48-volt mild hybrid system provides up to 11 hp of extra push and enables the gas engine to turn off completely when the car slows down to under 9 mph. The system is also able to shut the engine off and "glide" at speeds between 15 and 99 mph and it works as advertised.
In my opinion, for the money, this is the best engines in the BMW stable right now. Looks are subjective…
This 48-volt mild hybrid system provides up to 11 hp of extra push and enables the gas engine to turn off completely when the car slows down to under 9 mph. The system is also able to shut the engine off and "glide" at speeds between 15 and 99 mph and it works as advertised.
In my opinion, for the money, this is the best engines in the BMW stable right now. Looks are subjective…
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I sold my 22 M40i at 250 miles.The LCI 2022 BMW X3 M40i has a 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-6 motor coupled with a 48-volt mild-hybrid system, allowing the car to produce 382 hp and 369 lb-ft of torque. Turbo lag is virtually non existent. Kudos to BMW for adding this newest tech.
This 48-volt mild hybrid system provides up to 11 hp of extra push and enables the gas engine to turn off completely when the car slows down to under 9 mph. The system is also able to shut the engine off and "glide" at speeds between 15 and 99 mph and it works as advertised.
In my opinion, for the money, this is the best engines in the BMW stable right now. Looks are subjective…
Engine/response was outstanding.
However, the ride quality was god awful.
I had 19 All Season tires.
So ours has about 600 miles on the odometer... The lag is terrible - push the peddle and wait wait wait. We're not racing around the neighborhood, but city driving in "normal" mode is almost dangerous. Strange and unnatural feeling.
From a stop , push the peddle while turning and out of the turn, 15 mph and going from 3rd to 4th. From a stop straight on, the lag is awful. Like a mushy marshmallow.
Definitely going back to the dealer on this one
From a stop , push the peddle while turning and out of the turn, 15 mph and going from 3rd to 4th. From a stop straight on, the lag is awful. Like a mushy marshmallow.
Definitely going back to the dealer on this one
The new S is suppose to be as quick as the old GTS. I have the old GTS and in E or comfort mode it's just fine. I'll admit that I have turbo lag, watching other cars pass me from a stop at a red light, but if I press harder on the pedal it goes. I know that the computer wants to see a certain engine temp first before it unleashes it full potential, which for me takes about 3 or 4 miles of driving from a cold start.So ours has about 600 miles on the odometer... The lag is terrible - push the peddle and wait wait wait. We're not racing around the neighborhood, but city driving in "normal" mode is almost dangerous. Strange and unnatural feeling.
From a stop , push the peddle while turning and out of the turn, 15 mph and going from 3rd to 4th. From a stop straight on, the lag is awful. Like a mushy marshmallow.
Definitely going back to the dealer on this one
I'm looking at another car, a Toyota Corolla and that engine has been dyno tested first to break in the engine correctly before it's installed. Maybe the S computer wants to see a 1K miles first before unleashing higher boost pressures.
Naw, no 1000 mile magic. EPA caused them to really detune the new models. Wife's 2019 is a beast, my 2022 is a puppy. Throttle Master helps but the power curve is all mellowed out for emissions. My $0.02 opinion and it's value may be less.
It’s a weird feeling floating into turns in 3rd gear. And more weird to press the accelerator and about seconds later it seems, the car starts moving.
WOW!Naw, no 1000 mile magic. EPA caused them to really detune the new models. Wife's 2019 is a beast, my 2022 is a puppy. Throttle Master helps but the power curve is all mellowed out for emissions. My $0.02 opinion and it's value may be less.
First I've heard of this de-tuning on the 22 models. Sounds similar to the old days in the mid 70's, where the Chevy Corvette had a 350 Motor that made great power, and to comply with new regulations that power diminished down to almost half. Seems to me that the new S is still pretty powerful, but perhaps in a momentum way, where once going at speed, the boost is there; I say this from the Savage Geese Video on that Papaya Macan S, where it seems to really go fast on those Georgia roads.
Which segways to me back when I bought my 2018 Macan GTS in June of 2021, I liked it so much I wanted to spend $35K more for the 2022 version, and was talked out of it here, where one suggested I could do more things with $35K. I really wanted the Toyota GR Yaris and waited and waited, it never came, so I settled for the Macan GTS instead. Now the GR Corolla is here and I took a test drive a couple of weeks ago, and that thing moves fast, fast enough for me around town.
So this post is interesting now, because for me, my 2018 Macan GTS is so Dam. fast, it scales out to be too fast in the city, I'd get thrown in jail if I unleashed it's full potential more often. But on the open highway, I can get away with blazing fast along with hauling al my stuff. Where this GR Corolla scales down to really fun fast in the city, and I can get away with that more often, but scales too small for a road trip on the open highway. As you can tell, I really want to finally dump my Ford Focus for the GR Corolla soon, after I pay my taxes and save more.
The factory throttle mapping sure is different than other cars but I have absolutely no issues with lag or what you describe. I passed 10k miles on our 22S a little while ago and it's a blast to drive. Takes a bit of practice and getting used to, like pressing the throttle a bit more, a bit faster, at the right time. It actually makes driving more fun to me. I can move very slowly and precisely but if I want to, it will launch extremely quickly.It’s a weird feeling floating into turns in 3rd gear. And more weird to press the accelerator and about seconds later it seems, the car starts moving.
Agreed that the “normal” throttle mapping is not ideal for power response. For me, the sports mode is ideal for throttle response so I drive like that most of the time. The ideal “normal” mode driving for me would be the sports mode throttle response, but that the gears will shift earlier instead of holding as long as on sports mode.
in sports mode the car will go in an instant. So not sure there’s any tuning issue with the S’s.
in sports mode the car will go in an instant. So not sure there’s any tuning issue with the S’s.
Something definitely sounds abnormal. I went from a 20 Macan Turbo which had throttle response similar to what you're describing. When I got my 22 GTS it took me a while to get used to the more aggressive mapping. Admittedly it's not aggressive in normal mode, and now that I'm used to the GTS I generally turn it to sport mode before I leave the garage.So ours has about 600 miles on the odometer... The lag is terrible - push the peddle and wait wait wait. We're not racing around the neighborhood, but city driving in "normal" mode is almost dangerous. Strange and unnatural feeling.
From a stop , push the peddle while turning and out of the turn, 15 mph and going from 3rd to 4th. From a stop straight on, the lag is awful. Like a mushy marshmallow.
Definitely going back to the dealer on this one
Curious, what was your previous car?
Be interesting if someone on here has driven a 22 and 23 GTS to see if it's been remapped.
I was thinking about my 2018 GTS in eco or comfort mode, and making a right or left turn on a green light with some momentum going. It's pretty boring, and does have that lag the op described, where I don't even bother to accelerate till I'm almost out of the turn and almost straight with the steering wheel. And then flashing back to last Thurs night, a big left turn on a green light late at night knowing I had the full street where I just threw the shifter left and went down in gears with my foot on the gas to power out of the turn and shift back up. That turn was planned well in advance and I prepped for the turn. I'm fine with the mapping, makes it's easy to drive and navigate the simple things like a drive through or the garage.
This pedal commander you speak of will it void the warranty??Yes, the pedal commander will eliminate lag/hesitation 100%. The PC or a Roar Pedal can be turned up/down to find the sweet spot of response you want. I love it for an under $200 mod w/15min install.
I find driving in sport mode just keeps Macan S in 3rd gear around town and really winds out through the gears which isn’t the throttle response I was looking for off the line or cruising.
I will note, driving w/o a PC and only using the manual shifting, the throttle response has no lag b/c I ride in a little higher RPM and shift points.
Who installs them? I am not tech savvy I'm afraid
Just get a Pedal Commander or Roar Pedal.
Roar Pedal is under 159$USD & will solve all your problems.
There is a small sale for forum members now (im not paid by them).
See this thread:
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Roar Pedal is under 159$USD & will solve all your problems.
There is a small sale for forum members now (im not paid by them).
See this thread:
Anyone have a Pedal Commander/SprintBooster/RoarPedal on...
I know quite a few members have either of the above 3, but unsure if there are any members who have any of them installed on a 2022 or 2023 Macan GTS? Does it make a big difference on the 22/23 GTS? Is it worth it? From my understanding, the 'low end lag' is not 'as apparent' on the 22/23...
www.macanforum.com
I feel like my GTS has curves that are both shifted by about 30% to the right. There is a definite dead travel zone at the beginning where you push up to about 30% of overall travel before anything starts to happen.
It also feels like both curves are more curved below the straight line, definitely not above.
Sorry - I must have missed your reply.... I had a 2006 911 C4S. While I dont expect it to act like that, it certainly does not act like any gas engined car ive ever driven. But, ive never had a turbo either. Its not a good experience and no fun to drive honestly. I cant believe I have to put it into Sport mode every time. Ive even asked the dealer to reset the engine learning ( cant remember what's it really called) to new. They told me at first the cars learn the driver and patterns and adjust from there. But when I asked about it, they said , no, its not resettable. I do remember it being done supposedly on my 911 once before.Something definitely sounds abnormal. I went from a 20 Macan Turbo which had throttle response similar to what you're describing. When I got my 22 GTS it took me a while to get used to the more aggressive mapping. Admittedly it's not aggressive in normal mode, and now that I'm used to the GTS I generally turn it to sport mode before I leave the garage.
Curious, what was your previous car?
Be interesting if someone on here has driven a 22 and 23 GTS to see if it's been remapped.
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