Yes - I'll stick with my '18 Turbo PPI'll stick with a 2018 red on black turbo for now... Big engine (3.6L) not to be offered again. Unlimited tuning potential. Great resale value. Very distinct front bumper; cannot be mistaken for any other Macan. 400HP/400TQ stock AWD. Throttle drop!
Have a look at the current Cayenne: Base and hybrid: 3.0L Audi turbo engine. S: 2.9L Audi twin-Turbo engine. Turbo and Turbo S hybrid: 4.0L Audi-Porsche twin-turbo engine.Is it me or does that Audi 2.9tt not sound as mean as the outgoing 3.6 Porsche tt ?? Bragging rights are definitely hurt when one finds and Audi engine in a Porsche turbo. Sharing the platform and the transmission is one thing but it’s a straight Audi now!!
Thought I read the V8 was designed and is produced by Porsche for both companies.Have a look at the current Cayenne: Base and hybrid: 3.0L Audi turbo engine. S: 2.9L Audi twin-Turbo engine. Turbo and Turbo S hybrid: 4.0L Audi-Porsche twin-turbo engine.
I’m afraid that the only engines Porsche will keep manufacturing by itself are the flat engines, and I agree with you that having an Audi engine fitted on an Audi-VW platform has a damaging effect on bragging rights.
It’s not just you. I notice that on the new Pannys. They have that generic small displacement “gastric” synthetic turbo fart sound of so many new turbo cars. The Porsche engines in the Macans I feel did well to avoid that. And I agree. I love the Macan but an Audi platform, an Audi engine and a PDK derived from the Audi unit? Just too far for my liking. I tend to romanticize my cars and that messes with the Macan aura and specialness/uniqueness imo.Is it me or does that Audi 2.9tt not sound as mean as the outgoing 3.6 Porsche tt ?? Bragging rights are definitely hurt when one finds and Audi engine in a Porsche turbo. Sharing the platform and the transmission is one thing but it’s a straight Audi now!!
It does when you’re spending a lot more than Audi money and you want some fundamental “grains” to go with the premium of your Porsche badge.Thought I read the V8 was designed and is produced by Porsche for both companies.
But does it really matter today if the buildings the engines are being designed and manufactured in say Audi or Porsche on the outside? Does one really have better engineering and manufacturing capabilities versus the other?
What matters most to me is that I'm getting a superior driving experience and nicer interior appointments worth the extra $. Could care less where the parts are sourced from so long as there are not dependability issues.It does when you’re spending a lot more than Audi money and you want some fundamental “grains” to go with the premium of your Porsche badge.
Thought I read the V8 was designed and is produced by Porsche for both companies.
But does it really matter today if the buildings the engines are being designed and manufactured in say Audi or Porsche on the outside? Does one really have better engineering and manufacturing capabilities versus the other?
I really don't see any other division building the boxer motors for Porsche. What would be the logic as these engines are not used in any other VAG product, and Porsche already has the tooling to do it?Yea it matters. Why doesn’t Audi build engines for the gt3? Or take over building the flat 6? Would fly over well with 911 owners? Why would you think macan owners should be ok with it. If they are ok then why not take it all the way an put a VW engine in there? What a joke!
I really don't see any other division building the boxer motors for Porsche. What would be the logic as these engines are not used in any other VAG product, and Porsche already has the tooling to do it?
Why would I think Macan owners would be OK with engines built by someone other than Porsche? For starters, look at how many of them already been sold
This reminds me of when Audi announced that they were going to build Q5's in Mexico, and several forum members here boldly claimed they would substantially hurt their sales. Did not exactly work out that way.
I agree with your position and statements. For me, it was the reason for getting a CPO GTS (I would've also taken a Turbo model). I wanted the Porsche engine. Having owned the current generation S4 with the 3.0T engine, which is also used in the SQ5, the characteristics between the two engines is completely different. We powerful for a DD, I found it lifeless. The GTS engine, fast-revving and it mimics a NA engine.Remember we are talking about the turbo model not the base model they are very diff vehicles. As a turbo owner I would not shell out that kind of money for a reskinned audi.
As much as I really like the used GTS that my daughter and son-in-law recently purchased I would definitely not say it mimics an NA engine given the noticeable turbo lag that has been widely reported.Having owned the current generation S4 with the 3.0T engine, which is also used in the SQ5, the characteristics between the two engines is completely different. We powerful for a DD, I found it lifeless. The GTS engine, fast-revving and it mimics a NA engine.
As much as I really like the used GTS that my daughter and son-in-law recently purchased I would definitely not say it mimics an NA engine given the noticeable turbo lag that has been widely reported.
We installed the Cobb tune yesterday, and while it makes a significant difference in power across the rev range, it mitigated the turbo lag only slightly if at all. My son-in-law is thinking of buying a pedal commander or something similar.
It definitely has plenty of power (even more now) but it still favors higher rpm's . And I would agree that the power comes on similar to the SQ5 (pre Cobb installation) although the GTS seems to have a more spirited high-end, both with and without the Cobb. But I think by far the most noticeable difference between the two powertrains is the transmission.
Surprised to hear anyone call the new SQ5/S4 engine "lifeless". Sure, many of us would enjoy hammering an RS7, but in my experience both of those models are not exactly slow.
Sales are an entirely different matter. Porsche and Audi can build 140 HP 2 cylinders sourced by Lada and built on Tata chassis’ and people will line up. It’s the long term effect on enthusiast cachet that it would effect. Porsche has so much brand power that they can sacrifice a ton of long term value by milking it and cashing in today (see BMW, a car I used to dream about and now would have issues spending more than Honda money on, they’re just not special anymore although I still respect what they do well). As an enthusiast, that’s what I’m weary of. And how Porsche respects the enthusiast side of their brand, base, and products is how I personally will value them. I couldn’t care less about sales as I don’t own their stock and will let the boardroom worry about that (Macans selling so well once the base came out is a large reason why I sold mine, wasn’t as interesting once I saw them everywhere being driven by Joe/Janes who couldn’t care less about Porsche dynamics). I’m not a guy who’ll buy a Porsche built in America (for example) with the heart and soul (engine, chassis) engineered by marquees who I consider inferior on the engineering side and not as special nor unique. If that’s the case, I’ll just buy an actual American car for a lot less money. But that’s because I romanticize cars. Cars aren’t appliances and logical for me. They’re hobbies and toys above all. So the fuzzy, maybe not fully logistical stuff goes a long way.I really don't see any other division building the boxer motors for Porsche. What would be the logic as these engines are not used in any other VAG product, and Porsche already has the tooling to do it?
Why would I think Macan owners would be OK with engines built by someone other than Porsche? For starters, look at how many of them already been sold
This reminds me of when Audi announced that they were going to build Q5's in Mexico, and several forum members here boldly claimed they would substantially hurt their sales. Did not exactly work out that way.
I drove an SQ5 and S5 coupe, I personally feel the 3.0 Audi engine lacks some soul and emotion and didn’t sound great (standard 3.0 turbo 6 sound, whereas the Macan V6s were clearly engineered to *try* and emulate a Porsche flat six sound, especially at startup). Great fundamental engines and I think right now Audi is engineering and designing better and more sewn together cars than BMW and M-B (never used to think that before), but again, but they didn’t stir me like the Porsches do. I’m not a fan of turbo engines in general as I feel they’re all homogenized in feeling, sound, powerband, displacement, character (or lack thereof) etc. especially now and days, but the Macan V6’s, especially GTS did a decent job of trying to emulate an N/A vibe, imo a factor of Porsche’s engineering and care when it comes to these emotive nuances. The horrendously delayed pedal response is another story.As much as I really like the used GTS that my daughter and son-in-law recently purchased I would definitely not say it mimics an NA engine given the noticeable turbo lag that has been widely reported.
We installed the Cobb tune yesterday, and while it makes a significant difference in power across the rev range, it mitigated the turbo lag only slightly if at all. My son-in-law is thinking of buying a pedal commander or something similar.
It definitely has plenty of power (even more now) but it still favors higher rpm's . And I would agree that the power comes on similar to the SQ5 (pre Cobb installation) although the GTS seems to have a more spirited high-end, both with and without the Cobb. But I think by far the most noticeable difference between the two powertrains is the transmission.
Surprised to hear anyone call the new SQ5/S4 engine "lifeless". Sure, many of us would enjoy hammering an RS7, but in my experience both of those models are not exactly slow.
As much as I like the Macan PSE, I don't think the GTS exhaust note is any different versus any of the other V6 trim levels (with PSE of course). I don't detect any difference. Do you?but the Macan V6’s, especially GTS did a decent job of trying to emulate an N/A vibe
Can’t say with experience if it’s better than any other Macan V6 with PSE, but I guess I mean in the fact that it has PSE standard so any GTS you know will sound the best of what the Macan offers. I thought the GTS exhaust sounded excellent when I drove them (while I had my non PSE Macan S) but that was before I had my Sharkwerks piped N/A 911 which sounds like a chainsaw from **** in the best way possible, so who knows how it would sound to me now.As much as I like the Macan PSE, I don't think the GTS exhaust note is any different versus any of the other V6 trim levels (with PSE of course). I don't detect any difference. Do you?
Having both an S without PSE and a GTS, I had an S loaner with PSE while getting my GTS serviced and wanted to hear the difference. From just immediately hopping from one into the other and driving, I can say there is a difference from inside the vehicle. My GTS also has the thermal glass option and the S loaner did not.As much as I like the Macan PSE, I don't think the GTS exhaust note is any different versus any of the other V6 trim levels (with PSE of course). I don't detect any difference. Do you?