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Our dealer knows nothing more than what's been public. The sales manager said "they sent us a few (2018 models)" which are on the lot "and it seems we will not be getting the 2019 until next summer so we hope the new Cayenne sells well". Also, they sold the last 2018 Cayenne so I am not sure how it makes sense to have this much of a delay since technically you cannot drive off in a brand new 2019 Macan or a 2019 Cayenne at the moment and we are in the last 3 months of the year.
 

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I assume the delay is the red stripe between the tail lights. Lincoln, Chrysler/Dodge, Audi and others have completely outstripped production capacity.:laugh:
 

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LOL a good one!
 

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I'm being told April delivery by my dealer also, but it's not a sure thing. They're hopeful of an announcement at either Paris or LA Auto Show, but are being kept in the dark by Porsche. They're holding my $5K deposit for a "slot" but until they know their allocation they're unable to give me a firm 'yes' on the April delivery. Frustrating.
 

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I'm being told April delivery by my dealer also, but it's not a sure thing. They're hopeful of an announcement at either Paris or LA Auto Show, but are being kept in the dark by Porsche. They're holding my $5K deposit for a "slot" but until they know their allocation they're unable to give me a firm 'yes' on the April delivery. Frustrating.
$5K deposit? For a "slot", not even for and an order? Is that typical? My dealer took $1000 when I placed my order and with that I was not happy. If they can't even guaranteee you a delivery date and may not have a car for you for a year, at least they get to earn money off your money. I don't think holding a build slot should be $5K. Especially with no guarantees.
 

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What I don't understand is how long Porsche will continue to push the last-gen Q5 platform. Everyone expected the facelift to be MY 2018 a couple of years ago, now they will be arriving late in 2019. By the time they launch an all-new Macan in 2022 or whenever, the Q5 platform will again be 5 years old already. That makes no sense to force Porsche to subsist on Audi's scraps. With sedans essentially disappearing and CUVs proliferating, the competition is getting too fierce to allow this. The Macan is already being out gunned in terms of power (Merc GLC 63, for example); handling (Alfa Stelvio); value (BMW X3 M40i); and aesthetics (Range Rover Velar). As competitors continue to dish up hotter versions of their entrants, it is only a matter of time before somebody cracks the code and makes the Macan completely irrelevant. I understand it carries the Porsche badge and that is enough for many buyers but the landscape has changed a lot since I bought one of the first Macan Ss in my area back in 2014. There was nothing like it then.
 

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What I don't understand is how long Porsche will continue to push the last-gen Q5 platform. Everyone expected the facelift to be MY 2018 a couple of years ago, now they will be arriving late in 2019. By the time they launch an all-new Macan in 2022 or whenever, the Q5 platform will again be 5 years old already. That makes no sense to force Porsche to subsist on Audi's scraps. With sedans essentially disappearing and CUVs proliferating, the competition is getting too fierce to allow this. The Macan is already being out gunned in terms of power (Merc GLC 63, for example); handling (Alfa Stelvio); value (BMW X3 M40i); and aesthetics (Range Rover Velar). As competitors continue to dish up hotter versions of their entrants, it is only a matter of time before somebody cracks the code and makes the Macan completely irrelevant. I understand it carries the Porsche badge and that is enough for many buyers but the landscape has changed a lot since I bought one of the first Macan Ss in my area back in 2014. There was nothing like it then.
Totally agree. Porsche can’t afford to be conservative like they have in the past. Too much competition now. When the X3m comes out, it’s gonna cause some problems for Porsche
 

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I am perfectly fine without the badge and go for whatever the best.

340 hp from the 3.0T in my Macan? Wake up, Porsche! MB already wrought out that much power from its 2.0T years ago.
 

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What I don't understand is how long Porsche will continue to push the last-gen Q5 platform. Everyone expected the facelift to be MY 2018 a couple of years ago, now they will be arriving late in 2019. By the time they launch an all-new Macan in 2022 or whenever, the Q5 platform will again be 5 years old already. That makes no sense to force Porsche to subsist on Audi's scraps. With sedans essentially disappearing and CUVs proliferating, the competition is getting too fierce to allow this. The Macan is already being out gunned in terms of power (Merc GLC 63, for example); handling (Alfa Stelvio); value (BMW X3 M40i); and aesthetics (Range Rover Velar). As competitors continue to dish up hotter versions of their entrants, it is only a matter of time before somebody cracks the code and makes the Macan completely irrelevant. I understand it carries the Porsche badge and that is enough for many buyers but the landscape has changed a lot since I bought one of the first Macan Ss in my area back in 2014. There was nothing like it then.

Having looked at and tested all of the cars you mention I can tell you that the Porsche is superior to all. I loved the MB GLC 63 coupe when I drove it....til I drove the Macan GTS. The Alfa is a beast- so much raw power but with an interior not worthy of an $80K plus car and a reliability that is questionable at best. The BMW is is a nice compromise in price and power, but it has uninspired styling and is hard to differentiate from a regular X3 and leaves you wishing you had an X3M. And the Velar is just ugly. Ugly.

I have owned an M model BMW, two Audi S models, and an MB AMG lite. All good, competent, powerful cars that I loved when I had them. I have driven many BMW M models at track days and Audi RS models at track days. But the first time I drove a Porsche it was like the difference between wearing a $4000 tailored Zegna suit and a top of the line JCrew or Banana Republic suit. The quality is just not the same. And you may never know it til you experience both. They may look similar on a hangar, and you may look good in both, but not til you get them on and wear each of them do you notice the difference. That is what it felt like driving a Porsche.

I like the current Macan styling and will probably like the 2019s as well whenever I see one in person. And I agree that Porsche (like all manufacturers) must keep evolving and improving. But I don’t think they have fallen behind the competition. It’s clearly not all about HP, torque, and styling. There is something more that these other car manufacturers have failed to capture the way Porsche has.
 

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What I don't understand is how long Porsche will continue to push the last-gen Q5 platform. Everyone expected the facelift to be MY 2018 a couple of years ago, now they will be arriving late in 2019. By the time they launch an all-new Macan in 2022 or whenever, the Q5 platform will again be 5 years old already. That makes no sense to force Porsche to subsist on Audi's scraps. With sedans essentially disappearing and CUVs proliferating, the competition is getting too fierce to allow this. The Macan is already being out gunned in terms of power (Merc GLC 63, for example); handling (Alfa Stelvio); value (BMW X3 M40i); and aesthetics (Range Rover Velar). As competitors continue to dish up hotter versions of their entrants, it is only a matter of time before somebody cracks the code and makes the Macan completely irrelevant. I understand it carries the Porsche badge and that is enough for many buyers but the landscape has changed a lot since I bought one of the first Macan Ss in my area back in 2014. There was nothing like it then.
Porsche already is "irrelevant" to the people who bought those other cars. Buying a Porsche isn't just about having the best looking or fastest for a hot lap by an auto journalist . Buying a Porsche is about buying into a company who when all those others make it seem like they have a losing hand .. suddenly they win .

So let the attention deficit buyers chase the car in the moment . It frees up another build slot for a person who already has seen this play out over time.

Look at the history of other cars which tried . A few even beat the various Porsches along the way . Six months later no one remembers them because Porsche is back on top and taht car which may have lost for awhile is still remembered as the one which set the standard that they all had to beat.
 

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All good points. But I still think Porsche needs to up their HP game.

I configured a BMW M240i coupe and a 718 Cayman base similarly, with the former at $50k and the latter at $70k. Guess what? The BMW has a 3.0T (4.4 sec 0-60mph) and the Cayman has a 2.0T (4.7 sec 0-60 mph). That’s just lame on the Porsche with a $20k premium.
 

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Both hp and torque come together.
 

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$5K deposit? For a "slot", not even for and an order? Is that typical? My dealer took $1000 when I placed my order and with that I was not happy. If they can't even guaranteee you a delivery date and may not have a car for you for a year, at least they get to earn money off your money. I don't think holding a build slot should be $5K. Especially with no guarantees.
I hesitated to call it an "order" because I have no delivery date, pricing, options, etc., but I suppose that is what it is. At this point the fact that it will be an S is all I really know. The deposit is of course refundable through the drop-dead, final spec date (whatever that's called). I'm being (VERY) patient but also am getting to the point where I'm going to move on if there are no answers soon. For me, the decision point will be the Paris and LA auto shows; if there is no announcement at Paris, I'll assume the April 2019 delivery hype is probably false. I might wait for LA to be certain, but if there's nothing by LA (Nov 30) I'll KNOW the April 19 delivery date is bogus and get something else.
 

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The UK configurator shows 46,344 Euro ($53,500) as the starting price for the base Macan. Are prices historically higher in the UK than the US, or are we looking at a potential $6,500 USD price bump from the current $47,800?
US always cheaper, but Asia always higher vs. EU. Plus they sell in China the most. So logically the larger market got it first, plus it's the most profit margin, go figure. US can wait a year.
 
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