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$10.5K CAN loss on trade-in ; should I cancel ?

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My 2023 Macan S has arrived at the dealer
Problem is my trade-in value is WAY less than what I was expecting (10.5K less than the amount I owe)
I don't think it is a good idea financially to go through even if I will feel bad if I cancel as this would be my first P car
I know I would probably be toasted for any future order if I cancel

Have I known that from the get go I do not think I would have ordered the car but you can never know what the used market will be in a few months time...
I have overestimated the used market value for my car, that's what's creating this loss and I am fully aware of it

Yes I still would get the tax rebate for the trade-in value but it still is a 10.5K net loss

I know some of you will tell me that I have ordered the car and that I should live with it

What would you do ? Have you ever been facing the same problem ?
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@MacanFanBoy ; I can’t recommend what you should do, but can tell you what I did in a similar situation. Our GTS was to arrive early February but did not arrive until two weeks ago. The delay cost me about CDN$5k. Not pleased at all at Porsche’s delay, but bit the bullet anyway.

It’ll be a tough decision for you, but whatever you decide never regret the road taken.
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Basically going further upside down in cars is never a good move. Selling the car privately may net more but $10.5 is s big chunk of dough to lose. In the end your call think long is it worth it.
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Hi guys

My 2023 Macan S has arrived at the dealer
Problem is my trade-in value is WAY less than what I was expecting (10.5K less than the amount I owe)
I don't think it is a good idea financially to go through even if I will feel bad if I cancel as this would be my first P car
I know I would probably be toasted for any future
Only you know your financial situation and what’s the responsible thing to do. Another option is to be honest with them, tell them your are $10K short and perhaps they can find you a T or a base. That may be a compromise you can live with?
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You never mentioned what you’re currently driving. Year, make, model, mileage, condition… The amount you will lose is really high. And, if I offend anyone, tough. But a Macan S is not worth losing $10,500 over.
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Did you look at trade value before ordering? I find it hard to believe the value feel $10K over a few months; but what are you driving? If it was a BMW 7 series or Mercedes S class I could see a large drop in a short time
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Don’t they put a number down as your trade when you paid a deposit?
Did you look at trade value before ordering? I find it hard to believe the value feel $10K over a few months; but what are you driving? If it was a BMW 7 series or Mercedes S class I could see a large drop in a short time


Yes I was looking at 57-58k value on the market for my trade-in but that was in January when I ordered the car

My current car is a 2018 Audi RS3, 22k miles, mint condition
You never mentioned what you’re currently driving. Year, make, model, mileage, condition… The amount you will lose is really high. And, if I offend anyone, tough. But a Macan S is not worth losing $10,500 over.

2018 Audi RS3
22k miles
Mint condition
My take is probably not what you want to hear or very popular . . . . But, I place financial independence and lack of debt above driving a car that I even have to THINK about "how can I afford this?". It's not that I am that responsible . . . I am just, as someone once said in a movie, "an investor living on a fixed income". I have to plan to avoid surprises.

but you can never know what the used market will be in a few months time...
Trying to guess the future, in used car values or the options market . . . is risky stuff.

Basically going further upside down in cars is never a good move.
I'm of the same school of thought . . . . if you are underwater your quest should be to improve things, even marginally, not voluntarily and knowing make them worse. If you roll that $10.5 (CDN) deficit over, in concert with financing (I am assuming you are not paying cash) a new Macan S . . . . I suspect you'll find yourself in significantly deeper. What, as a wild example, if Porsche goes "All EV" next year and that Macan S becomes a financial millstone?

I'd honest up with the Porsche folks, they'll have zero problem moving a Macan S at present. plan on driving the present vehicle another year or two and put together a written plan to get where you need to be.

Another option is to be honest with them, tell them your are $10K short and perhaps they can find you a T or a base.
In the situation you currently find yourself in . . . I'm not sure adding a Porsche, Aston Martin or McLaren to the mix is helpful.

Put yourself in a situation where YOU feel in control and PLAN your path forward . . . don't be a slave/victim to the coming and going of used car values.
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Hi guys

My 2023 Macan S has arrived at the dealer
Problem is my trade-in value is WAY less than what I was expecting (10.5K less than the amount I owe)
I don't think it is a good idea financially to go through even if I will feel bad if I cancel as this would be my first P car
I know I would probably be toasted for any future order if I cancel

Have I known that from the get go I do not think I would have ordered the car but you can never know what the used market will be in a few months time...
I have overestimated the used market value for my car, that's what's creating this loss and I am fully aware of it

Yes I still would get the tax rebate for the trade-in value but it still is a 10.5K net loss

I know some of you will tell me that I have ordered the car and that I should live with it

What would you do ? Have you ever been facing the same problem ?
I have been there but the worst of it was my current Macan. I got my former Macan Turbo appraised as an early trade back in August . It was 76K , We needed the car but had I let it go that would have been the amount on that day . In December when my car arrived it was 64K . Thats 12K USD (16K CDN) . I already know the used manager wont budge so it came down to sales . It was 51K plus my car out the door . I had 48K plus I was so ill on the day of delivery (had Covid) that they had to drop the car at my house and sign everything electronically. They made it fly at 48.

I gave a bit more than they did but they did bend . Thats what I suggest . Offer them 8 out of that 10 to the final out the door price . You will never miss the 8K once you have the car.
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You never mentioned what you’re currently driving. Year, make, model, mileage, condition… The amount you will lose is really high. And, if I offend anyone, tough. But a Macan S is not worth losing $10,500 over.
A Porsche will bring you through times of no money but money will not bring you through times of no Porsche . ;)
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Put yourself in a situation where YOU feel in control and PLAN your path forward . . . don't be a slave/victim to the coming and going of used car values.
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Thank you for this valuable opinion

I can afford the 10.5K it's just that I feel like I am giving away my current car and I hate it
And as you said I don't want to feel like I was not in control of the deal

I really wanted to get a Macan but is it wort it a 10.5K loss ? I'm not sure...
In the situation you currently find yourself in . . . I'm not sure adding a Porsche, Aston Martin or McLaren to the mix is helpful.

Put yourself in a situation where YOU feel in control and PLAN your path forward . . . don't be a slave/victim to the coming and going of used car values.
The truth is that he's not in control. They will let him walk and he ends up with no Macan . Then he gets rio drive the car he no longer wants as it depreciates even more . He saves money but its a not a happy outcome . Dealerships are aggressive on trade because they lack inventory . Canadian dealerships have been notorious . Perhaps a bit less with Macan Base , T and S but the shenanigans with the 911 makes it very clear they they are playing hard ball. Its not like he can go somewhere else that will be much better . Some are better than others though . However his car is here and now.

My opinion .. The time to walk away from the deal is not to even look at it , much less order it.
I really wanted to get a Macan but is it wort it a 10.5K loss ? I'm not sure...
I doubt the RS3 is going back up in price any time soon so it seems you've lost the 10.5K whether you buy a Macan or not.
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The truth is that he's not in control. They will let him walk and he ends up with no Macan . Then he gets rio drive the car he no longer wants as it depreciates even more . He saves money but its a not a happy outcome . Dealerships are aggressive on trade because they lack inventory . Canadian dealerships have been notorious . Perhaps a bit less with Macan Base , T and S but the shenanigans with the 911 makes it very clear they they are playing hard ball. Its not like he can go somewhere else that will be much better . Some are better than others though . However his car is here and now.

My opinion .. The time to walk away from the deal is not to even look at it , much less order it.


Exactly, I have no leverage on my trade-in value
I know they will not go higher and if I cancel they will sell the Macan right away to the next customer who walks in 5 minutes after I leave...
I was in virtually the same spot with my car. When i placed the deposit my 2017 TTS was worth more than when i traded it in to Porsche. I still owed money on it but it was at 1% so i had let it ride on the payment plan vs paying off. I used a conservative trade in number when i pitched the macan to my wife, knowing it would trade in lower than that day and that there'd be still be money owing on the TTS. I decided that the delta in trade in was worth it to get into my first Porsche and what will almost certainly be my last new ICE car. All it really means is we're losing positive equity on the Macan, not digging into a hole. Even with everything said, I didn't have to pay Porsche more than the Macan is worth as a trade in. I paid cash for the Macan, perhaps that swayed my position.

Ultimately only you know your overall financial state, and how much value you place on cars, as a mode of transportation, and as a hobby & passion (if you're like many of us here)
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Can't give financial advise but the element of the story that caught my attention is you're underwater on a car loan for a 2018 car? If you are still paying on a note for a 6 or 7 year old car that would worry me about the ability to take on a new note on a $90k car.
I gave away a 2015 M4 with carbon brakes one time and it still bothers me to this day.
Hard to compare to @yrralis1 financial position where it sounds like he paid $180,000 cash for a 911 GTS last year. (with trade)
I would cancel the deal if I were you and pick up a used 2021 GTS for low $70s.
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What would you do ? Have you ever been facing the same problem ?
Run, don't walk, RUN AWAY

I'm sure many people have been in the same boat. You live and learn. When the contract is signed, you have to choices:

  1. Trade the car in immediately. Hopefully you have a second car to get around until the new car arrives
  2. Track the price trend in places like Edmunds, BB lite, and the like and extrapolate in the future and make your financial decisions based on an extrapolated trade in value.

You live and learn. Chalk it up as experience but walk away. Its just a car. Do not become emotionally attached. There will be other cars. Its NOT special, Don't buy into the hype. It will never become collectible, its just one of hundreds of thousands in a sea of SUVs.

And just because you "can" afford it does not mean its financial prudent.

Run away.
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I doubt the RS3 is going back up in price any time soon so it seems you've lost the 10.5K whether you buy a Macan or not.
True . . . and I could morph that close enough to "sufficient justification" to do the deal and ignore my underwater situation.

And just because you "can" afford it does not mean its financial prudent.
Precisely.

I understand that the $10.5 isn't the end of your world and that your angst is more the taking the hit.

Affording the Porsche was not a particular problem for me but going out of warranty, the distance to the dealer, waiting a long time for an appointment . . . . crowned by the nearly $4,000 headlight replacement made me realize the subliminal angst of a car that was basically just a driver, I wasn't using it for any of the things people typically enjoy in a Porsche.

I opted to order a fully equipped Subaru Outback, that I have made the changes I want to serve my particular purposes. It's an incredibly well engineered and full featured (things like acoustic glass, torque vectoring and heat/cooled seats and steering wheel are all standard). Exciting? . . . not in the least. But it is, as the Macan was, comfortable at triple digit highway speeds, reliable as an anvil and the dealer is 5 minutes from the house.

Last weekend, I had left the fuel cap off and got an entire dashboard full of lights. I'm preparing for a trip to Canada and didn't want to be staring at them. I made the 5 minute drive to the dealer, the SA immediately walked out with a scanner and I was home 5 minutes later. That'd been an all day effort with the Macan. Again, I love the Macan, my Porsche friends and everything about it . . except the logistics. I was able to get the Outback, completely paid for by the Macan and leave with a handsome handful of cash.

It was a tough call for me. But, we'd just bought 2 very fun new Audis in Palm Beach and the ONLY thing I was using the car for was my weekly commute down to Columbia University to teach and the quick retreat to the Hudson Valley.

Bottom line . . . respect your situation and do what is right for you.
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