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RollingHillsofDan 10-05-2018 11:38 PM

Honesty
 
I've been staying in a few hotels/motels lately to be with a family member who is about to enter a clinical trial. as usual, I peruse the supply carts that the housekeepers have stationed in the hallways in the morning. More often than not, I palm a few shampoos and bar soaps. Is this stealing or dishonesty? If it's either of these, should I offer to compensate these establishments for the pilfered merchandise or should I be made to clean an entire hallway's worth of rooms as penance? If others have committed such thievery over the years, perhaps we should organize a "Pilferers Anonymous" group and clean an entire hotel/motel, give the staff the day off and pay them for their time plus a healthy tip...This reminds me of the time that I went to hear Buckminster Fuller speak. A man of many talents and a large worldview, Bucky invented the geodesic dome and the Dymaxion, that wonderful teardrop-shaped automobile, which I saw many years in Reno, Nevada, at Harrah's Automobile Collection. He spoke more about living right than he did about his accomplishments. One of the things that he spoke about was that when he used a public bathroom, he always left it cleaner than when he came in. I've embraced that behavior ever since, and that was around 1971. In the last week, I rode Amtrak twice and visited several bathrooms in world-renowned hospitals. Every time, there was paper trash on the floors and in the sinks and "liquids" on the floors, and every time I took a minute or 2 and tidied up these messes. As Bucky said, wouldn't you rather walk into a restroom that was clean than one that was not?

wwahl 10-06-2018 12:49 AM

Your support is really good. Keep it up. Those you support will really be appreciative. Don't worry about the rest.

Col M 10-06-2018 02:49 AM

I assume that such "small" theft is from the employee and not the big chain...and don't.

iconoclast 10-06-2018 03:20 AM

Your unpaid janitorial work may make up for your thievery
;)

If you're really serious re opinions on the 'pilfering," only take what you will use while staying in that motel/hotel. Then it is NOT theft, IMO, just saving the maid an extra trip to bring it to you.

If you are taking supplies to use at home, it is theft.

People probably steal everything not bolted down from hotels/motels. Some will charge you for stuff missing from your room like towels, robes, etc.

Do you really need their shampoo, soap? You can buy travel size stuff at stores (Target for example) You can buy (or reuse) small containers & fill with your preferred brand shampoo.

mksz51 10-06-2018 07:48 AM

You're stealing. Pure and simple. Is your ramble about cleaning up after others your attempt at offsetting your character flaw? Seriously - only on this forum do you see stuff like this written.

MDJAK 10-06-2018 07:51 AM

So when I was a kid, going back 50 years, there was a place in upstate NY called the Jewish Alps, also known as the Catskills. Oh, it’s still there, now with casinos. Back then it was filled with resorts: Grossinger’s (my favorite), The Concord, Kutscher’s, The Raleigh, you get my drift.

These were huge, affordable hotels for weekend getaways for us po’ city folks who went on “vacation” once a year, often times with a club from somewhere (in my case, a women’s handball club) which “group buy” helped make it affordable.

So I’m about 10 years old in 1967 and we are in Grossinger’s and Jenny Grossinger, the doyenne of the family, is making the rounds of the thousand or more guests. We are in the nightclub watching the great comedians of the day and my mother, whose name, Penny, derived from the depression where she’d wait for her dad to come home from work to hopefully give her a few pennies to buy a stack of candy, was in the process of purloining whatever she could get her hands on: silverware, a drinking glass, you name it towels with the hotel name emblazoned on them which they encouraged you to take so others in your home would see them.

When all of a sudden Jenny comes over to our table, and my mom has a lap full of forks and knives. I’ll never forget it.

Jenny didn’t notice, or pretended not to. The show ended, it was a late Saturday night, and I get up, hug my dad and say I’m tired, lets go to sleep.

I look up and it wasn’t my dad but a perfect stranger.

You see, my dad slinked off so as not to be associated with my mom’s pilfering.

rhoyle 10-06-2018 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RollingHillsofDan (Post 2478095)
I've been staying in a few hotels/motels lately to be with a family member who is about to enter a clinical trial. as usual, I peruse the supply carts that the housekeepers have stationed in the hallways in the morning. More often than not, I palm a few shampoos and bar soaps. Is this stealing or dishonesty? If it's either of these, should I offer to compensate these establishments for the pilfered merchandise or should I be made to clean an entire hallway's worth of rooms as penance? If others have committed such thievery over the years, perhaps we should organize a "Pilferers Anonymous" group and clean an entire hotel/motel, give the staff the day off and pay them for their time plus a healthy tip...This reminds me of the time that I went to hear Buckminster Fuller speak. A man of many talents and a large worldview, Bucky invented the geodesic dome and the Dymaxion, that wonderful teardrop-shaped automobile, which I saw many years in Reno, Nevada, at Harrah's Automobile Collection. He spoke more about living right than he did about his accomplishments. One of the things that he spoke about was that when he used a public bathroom, he always left it cleaner than when he came in. I've embraced that behavior ever since, and that was around 1971. In the last week, I rode Amtrak twice and visited several bathrooms in world-renowned hospitals. Every time, there was paper trash on the floors and in the sinks and "liquids" on the floors, and every time I took a minute or 2 and tidied up these messes. As Bucky said, wouldn't you rather walk into a restroom that was clean than one that was not?

You’re stealing.

The rest of your message is somehow akin to asking for permission for your theft due to some unrelated good deed you do elsewhere. Not good.

Imagine if Bill Cosby tried to distract from his patterns of abusing women by pointing out that he donated millions to charities for children? Not good.

Masscan 10-06-2018 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mksz51 (Post 2478131)

You're stealing. Pure and simple.

Agreed.

If one takes something without asking first, it's stealing.

Now if those toiletries were IN your room, then they are fair game.

synergize 10-06-2018 12:36 PM

Would @RollingHillsofDan be willing to help me clean out my garage, I could give you some soap and shampoo for your effort, no theft involved.

Jshore 10-06-2018 12:50 PM

I can relate to your story @MDJAK as my trek from the Bronx to the Catskills also brings back funny memories. I asked my Mom once why Grandma always carried a huge pocketbook,her reply was shhhah.

I couldn't believe how people acted at the Porsche Driving experience grabbing more than one bag of goodies at the end ( it was supposed to be one bag per participant ).
Glad that we taught our children right from wrong and not to take what didn't belong to them.


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